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CHALLENGING CHRISTIANS #2

‎”Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.” 1 Samuel 15:22

(Although the following Facebook conversation is real – verbatim – names have been changed to protect the idiotic!)

Wordwurst More absolute meaningless gibberish! It is better to obey ‘whom’? And what sacrifice are you referring to? If god told me to kill my child, Samuel is saying that it would be better to obey than sacrifice? Sacrifice what? My child? I’ve heard mentally retarded children make more sense. What kind of sick, twisted mind can understand/believe in this Samuel asshole? Oh, I get it! Just mindlessly obey because if you try to understand you’re brain just turns to mush! It is better to hearken than the fat of rams? WTF?!

Charmley Context – Saul, Israel’s king under God, was given a specific order. He disobeyed and thought that he could cover it up by religious acts. One sentence taken from a speech is indeed rather difficult to understand. Put it in the context of I…srael in the period, and it makes sense. What is being said is that you should not think that God is pleased with you just because you’re going to Church when you’re also doing wicked things. Application: if you are fiddling the books, your going to Church will not make God pleased with you!

Wordwurst Which god?

Charmley Come on, this is a Bible quote, which do you think?

Wordwurst I believe only in the Luscious Lesbian Leprechaun goddess – the giant babe that gave birth to this whole universe. I have a book that tells the whole story. The bible is just made up.

Trevor  Is this guy for real or is he just a joke?

Wordwurst That’s exactly what I used to think when told about Jesus!

Trevor  Demonstrates Romans 1.

Richardson Certainly Wordwurst wouldn’t believe the only sufficient rule of faith, what arrogant apostate would?

Wordwurst Faith is a crutch for those who cannot face reality. Believing in things you have no proof for! Deluding yourselves with your fairy-tales. And then, if that wasn’t bad enough, spreading it like a virus to others. Now – that’s arrogant. To hell with faith. Give me truth!

Trevor  What is described is not faith but credulity. Faith, biblical faith, has specific content. Without that content it isn’t faith. You may object to the content, but slander, misrepresentation and mockery are not refutations, mere cant.

Wordwurst Can! Calling the truths I’m pointing out about your harmful and silly dogma slander, misrepresentation and mockery does not distract from the fact that people who believe in made-up, baseless superstitions, are deluded fools – like politicians – giving empty promises, telling lies to protect their guise… living quiet desperation lives! Let me ask you a serious question and see if you can answer straightforwardly, okay? What will happen to me when I die, based upon your ‘book’?

Trevor  I suspect you know the answer to your own question! Reading through your missives it is evident you merely engage in sneering without actually having a rational, intelligent, reasonable argument. What you need to do is ask what does Christianity teach. Then ask, does it stack up with Scripture. Then proceed to challenge from your own unbelief. Thus far it’s just what I said – mere cant and nothing more.

Baptist Church Dear Wordwurst, the wonderful thing about the word of God is that it is so clear about this question of what happens after death. If I believe in the Son of God I will enter eternal bliss. If not, eternal hell. Thank God, by his grace I will one day see him and be like him for I shall see him as he truly is! I pray you will be there too! Mark.

WW Thanks for answering. So, if I can not believe in this particular god of yours, he will banish me to eternal torture. Do you think that is moral?

Baptist Church If you had a dog and it never did what you wanted it to do and it started to bite your children, would it be morally acceptable to get rid of the dog?

WW I’ll be happy to answer any of your questions after I get clear about where you’re coming from. If I cannot believe in your god, do you think it is moral that I punished eternally for a finite crime? Do you think I deserve that? In your opinion, is it moral?

Trevor  So, you didn’t answer the question. Same old same old. Whinge, complain, mock and sneer, but not answer the question. The reality is, you cannot account for anything. You begin with the presupposition that authority rests entirely with you. …In your closed box you see nothing, hear nothing, your ‘discoveries’ and reasoning are all within that closed box. The Christian by contrast has a different presupposition. Using the previous illustration- the lid is open to let in the light. Yours is the closed mind, the Christian has the open mind. What you need to do is to repent for your sins.

Baptist Church WW, It is of no relevance where I am coming from. Your question was, what does the Bible say? I told you. You say you “cannot believe”. But is it not the truth that you do not want to believe? I do not know what you deserve. I am not your judge. I know that I only deserve hell apart from the grace of God in Jesus Christ. The call of the gospel is there for all who will hear it. May the Lord open your heart to his truth for his mercies sake. Mark.

WW Why do you continue to sidestep my simple question? What you need – if you want to continue this conversation – is to answer my question. Same old dodging the questions I always get from arrogant gits like yourself. You’re the one beginning… and continuing with presuppositions and I am seeking to understand. I’ll ask you once more and we’ll both know what’s happening if you are to frightened again to answer. If I cannot believe in your god, do you think it is moral that I punished eternally for a finite crime? Do you think I deserve that? In your opinion, is it moral? You claim that you don’t know what happens to me if I cannot believe in your god. You lying sack of crap! You know damn well what your contradictory book says. You’re just too scared to go down this road of inquiry with me because you know where its going and you’ll do anything to avoid it – like continue to to talk nonsense. What a coward!

Baptist Church To answer simply, Yes!!! Any crime against God is not considered finite. “Unless you repent you will all likewise perish” But I am sure you know the answer already!!

WW And do YOU think it is right/just/moral for any human being to be tortured in eternity for the finite ‘sin’ of not being able to believe in ‘god’?

Baptist Church I already answered that question. You need to read more carefully. Or maybe nothing that I would say would satisfy you? Why do you waste your time with people like me if you think I am so useless?

WW It’s not the same question. If you read more carefully, you’d see that. The difference is – do YOU think it is righ/just/moral. The truthful answer would satisfy me. And is it not you who is beginning to feel he is wasting his time with me… thinking you cannot convert me?

(after much time)

WW Yeah, I thought you’d both bail when the questions got difficult. ARBC – you are a bad parrot. Trevor, you are a simpleton prancing around behind what you think are cleverly constructed sentences. Being gay, how do you reconcile the bible’s insistence that homosexuals are an abomination? You should be out of the closet and out in the community helping other people like yourself to be proud of who they are – of what their parents and evolution made them. Lennon was right: god is a concept by which we measure our pain. Trevor, you must be in hell already. You need any help just let me know, kay? Now, enough of both your foolishness! See if you can speak for the next 48 hours without parroting your scriptures or mentioning god once. Betcha can’t! Brainwashed zombies have better thinking / reading / concentrating skills than the two of you put together! If that’s what being a christian is (a follower! – who wants to be a follower anyway? sheeple?) you can count me out. I lead and create my own path, thankyouverymuch! :0) ToodlePip!

Trevor  Your blurb is, sadly, like yourself, confused. Which is why you never actually answer anything. You merely throw invective because you have nothing. You raise the strange issue of sodomy. It is wicked and contrary to the faith. See Romans 1….Until you repent your thinking will remain irrational.

WW Sidesteppin’, pussyfootin’, the old soft shoe! You’re a wonderful little dancer, Trev – did you know that? If you find anything about my blurb confusing it is because your damaged/brainwashed mind is what is confused and in a state of delus…ion. I will, as I already said (what, you got a poor memory too?) happily answer any questions after you answer mine. If you are too much of a wallflower to do so, just admit it and you can give up. Otherwise, why not pretend to be a man and answer… mmmkay? (PS: You raise the issue of me raising the issue of sodomy… no, not really. I raised the issue that your filthy book asks for homosexuals like yourself to be put to death for being what god made them. How f*&^$d up is that? Even though suffering a deep and dark repression, do you really think the homosexuals god made – since he made everything – should have to be tortured for eternity for their finite crime? I mean, you actually claim to go along with that and think it is moral and just?) So, there you have it – the same question again, in another form. Answer if you can. Recant if you can’t!

Trevor  Phew. Let me repeat myself clearly.
1. Scripture lays down the way if salvation
2. That is the path we are to take
3. It’s ethics we are to follow
Your innuendos are false. Period

WW Yes, please, try to be clear this time.
1. Yes, but is it morally right?
2. Says who? The morons who wrote the book full of idiocy and contradictions? Talking snakes, man living in the belly of a whale, an all powerful god who cannot fight iron?
3. Who’s ethics? Those of the cretins who wrote the most hateful and dreadful book of all time? Worse than the Koran?
You’re presuppositions are built on bullshit. Full stop!
When are you going to stop being a sheep and think for yourself and stand up for who you really are, proud and with a straight spine? Stop letting down your side, Trev, they need you and you could really help… if you only had the guts. :0(

Trevor  I do not know what you mean. Clearly you are getting worked up- hence the expletives. Your duty now is to repent of your sin. Believe the gospel. Turn from sin. Cast off the unfruitful works of darkness and sin.

WW It’s no good talking to you, is it? You are like a broken record: repent, repent… how boring. Even if I could believe in your made up god (which I can no more do than believe in Santa) I would choose to give him the finger anyway. Satan is more noble and profound than the Abrahamic god – who’s kill count is astronomical compared to the devils! You think this is love and mercy – you keep it, if you like that sort of thing. Me, I would gladly spend eternity with Satan than with your god who would have me worshipping him all day! What a sad and pathetic little creature with a poor self-image and an out of control ego!

Baptist Church WW, I do not mind any argument you want to use but if you continue to use offensive and rude language I will have to delete you from my friends list. Please keep things at some level of decency. Mark.

WW Honestly, BC, I do not know what you mean. What offensive or rude langauage are you referring to? If you choose to interpret my words that way – well, that’s your right, I guess. For what its worth, I find your way of communicating to be …ignorant – but I don’t let it offend me. I am responsible for my feelings, not you. If you want to stick to the conversation and answer the question, let’s move on. If you want to use ‘being offended’ to take your ball home, so be it. What’s with the constant threats? ‘You’re going to go to hell!’, ‘I’m going to delete you’… ? Can’t you just stick to the discussion?

Baptist Church You are the one who brought up the whole issue of where do I think you are going when you die. Are you that worried about it? You must be I think.

Wordwurst Why would I be worried to return to the place I came? Black, unconscious nothingness. Peace. No fear. No pain. What I simply would like to know is do you think it is moral or just for me or anyone to burn for eternity for not believing in the god you promote? It’s a pretty simple question… ;0)

Baptist Church Yes, I do!!

WW Well, then that’s that. If you believe that, there’s something seriously wrong with you. No finite crime deserves infinite torture. The fact that you believe it does… what does that tell you? I mean, you’re saying that even if your very own child could not get him/herself to believe in this all merciful god, you’d agree that would be grounds for her eternal suffering. As a therapist, I would advise you to seek a professional. Imagine, as a result of not knowing your own moral compass, you will be steered by that of a ‘someone’ else you’ve heard tell of from people you’ve never met. If you do have children, I hope you don’t try to persuade them that that’s a good lesson for life. Only those who are morally bereft can cling to the disgusting morals written in a book by superstitious nincompoops!

Baptist Church Your use of the term “finite” is misleading. It is not the duration of the sin but the one to whom it offends that counts. If I murder someone in a moment of time I am worthy of death as a result. The gravity of all sin is that it is committed against an infinite and eternal God. My confidence is in the justice and mercy of this unchanging God. As Abraham said: “Shall not the judge of all the earth do right?”

WW Seriously, I don’t give a flying f*&k at a rolling donut what Abraham said. I know what’s right and wrong and don’t need you or any badly written book to tell me otherwise. If you need it, so be it.

‎© 2010 Wordwurst

DOUG’S FINAL ENTRY #1

This is the first part of the final instalment of Doug’s Facebook conversations with a number of born-again-christians. It is useful to note that, having had many previous conversations (especially with Chucky) about the notion of a creator (specifically the one they have chosen), Doug attempts a new strategy to make his points clear.

No matter how many times Doug plainly stated that he was once a christian himself, had read the bible many times, and came to the conclusion that there is no god or devil, no heaven or hell, he was contradicted and called a liar. Being a the kind of dog he is, he found their way of debating/conversing/communicating both insulting and childish.

So, he decided to fight fire with fire and pulled out all the stops in his attempts to lower himself to their level and be as insulting and childish as he could manage. The results (if you are not overly offended by the use of swear words) are hilarious… and somewhat startling. No matter what Doug said, these guys just didn’t know when to quit or how to change the way they spoke to him and the threats they continuously made.

I have since banned Doug from debating with god-believers on my Facebook page and he is now in training to be a stand-up comedian.

NB: The names of the god-believers in these final instalments have been changed to protect the moronic!

NBB: Doug was only joking when he talked about snorting coke and having sex-orgies with a group of bitches. Doug has been clean and sobre for the last four years and his happily married. One day, he and his wife hope to have a few pups and start their own canine family.

Chucky: M’r:9:47: And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: You can rip the eye out of the perverted all day but only God can rip the perversion out of the perverted.

Gary: Amen, lest you would simply end up with a blind pervert!

Doug: What if your tongue offends me? Shall I pluck it out? Has your fairy-tale god ripped the perversion out of you yet, Chucky? :0)

Sampson: Don’t confuse the Biblical use of “offend,” Doug. It doesn’t mean “offensive,” but rather “to sin against.”

Doug: How presumptuous of you, Mr Sampson, to assume I do not know the difference. You must be a born-again-christian because, in my experience, the ones I have had the displeasure to have met all came across as self-righteous, arrogant assholes… and it sounds like you are one of those, too, am I wrong? Just so you know, I was born-again and have read the bible more times than you’ve said stupid things. I grew up, learned to think for myself and grew out of it. Maybe, if you think for yourself, you may one day too! I’ll pray to my master for you, if you like.

Chucky: Doug, You never grew out of it because you were never in it.
You must be born again! The bible clearly describes your characteristics in that you were a false believer.

Doug: There you go – more ignorant, arrogant assertion of bullshit! I think I know my life better than you do, Chuckyboy. I will not argue with someone acting like a moron. You want to talk? Happy to do so as long as you refrain from childish and incorrect contradiction. You think you can do that?

Chucky: If you want me to agree with you? No Sir.

Doug: Agree with me? I have no idea what you are talking about! The bible is full of erroneous information, contradiction, stupidity… just like you, Chuck! I wonder, is that where you got the characteristics of a fucktard asshole, or did you take them from your fairy-tale book?

Chucky: God is going to throw you in hell one day. You are going to spend eternity in torment because of your foolishness

Doug: Emm… wrong again. Wait – maybe not! Perhaps I am already there because I can think of no worse torment than trying to communicate with you. You’re like a pathetic little boy with your silly little threats. If there was a hell, Chuck, I’d gladly go there to avoid having to spend eternity with a twit like you and a twat like god!

Chucky: Yes you would probably hate heaven. Hanging out with christian in the preasence of God.

Jeffrey: How amazing is this… A person jumps a thread, and attacks other peoples religion while pondering offenses against himself. He then accuses others of presumption while using the most assumptive of terms… “You must be”, “You are all”, “It… sounds like” etc… You must be a very wise man Chuck. If this man read the Bible 100 times, then you have said fewer then 100 stupid things in you life time. I was passed 100 when I was 4 years old. I tip my hat to ya… 🙂 The code of the “New Atheist”.  1) Believe there is no God. 2) Hate Him anyway.

Doug: You got that right, Chuckyboy! Having to listen to you sycophantic whining maggots as you grovel to god for the crumbs of his favors forever! When the day comes, as it surely will, that the bubble of delusion you live in POPS! you are going to have to get the two brain cells you have left to work together. Right now they just seem to be waving goodbye to each other.

Chucky: I would hate heaven too if it wasn’t for the grace of God. You need to repent and trust in Jesus.

Doug: What a complete prick this Jeff fucktard is! Talk about presuming. Chuck and I have been ‘enjoying’ conversations like this for some time now and I have gotten to know him, Jeff, thank you very much. You, I already know and PWN!. Now, why don’t you suck Chucks tiny weiner while he reads passages about hell to you from the bible? You are so mentally retarded that you do not understand that you, like me, are an atheist. You do not believe in the thousands of gods that preceded the one that’s now in favor in your little part of the planet. I’m just one god ahead of you. Now, go and play with the other kids and stay out of the seriousness business us adults are getting on with, ‘mmmmkay? Kay!

Sampson: Doug, I didn’t insult you – it’s beyond me why you would want to insult me. I was making a simple distinction between the meaning of the text, and the understanding of the terminology you provided.

If you left the body of Christ, it’s because you weren’t in it to begin with: 1 John 2:19, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”

Nobody can be born-again, and then not born-again. As Christ said in John 6:39, “And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.”

Jesus cannot lose anybody that was given to him of the Father. So as 1 John 2:19 points out, if you aren’t with the body of Christ, it’s because you were never with the body of Christ.

This isn’t arrogance, this is the Word of God. If you reject God’s Word, your world view will make absolutely no sense. I’d be willing to demonstrate that to you if you can speak to me like an adult, with respect, and not littering our interactions with insults.

Doug: You’re very existence insults me! Your self-righteous and ludicrous assumption that if I do not understand the way you do or believe the way you do that I don’t understand. Why? Because GOD SAID SO! What is it with maggots like you who set themselves up to pretend they know anything when they clearly know nothing about anything.

Judgemental little bigots like you are some of the fuel for the stupid beliefs that inform the behaviours of bullies and end in the deaths of innocent young men who happen to be homosexual, or providing the much needed service of abortion to women who – with their own set of circumstances – decide that they need one.

I don’t give a flying fuck if you believe that I was born again or not, you gimp-minded twat-faced git. Being able to quote the bible at me doesn’t make you look smart (with a face like yours, nothing could) it just makes you sound like a brainless parrot! Now, get on your knees and suck it – and beg the holy ghost to help you keep your true identity repressed. Of course, he will not because he does not exist and if he did he’d just be a no-good lying sack of shit like the other two he claims to be, goo-googa-joob!

Am I getting through, Sampson? I see right through your vacant little heart and dirty little soul. Time to get back in the closet and turn the light out and pull the covers up to your chin and hope the big scary hairy old devil don’t gitchooo! He’ll fuck you like he fucks the ball-less god you fear so much. Making sense? No? Didn’t think so. It would take some intellect to get any kind of grasp… and you lost yours a long time ago. Whhhoooofffff! ;0)

Chucky: Doug, One day your bubble of elusion will be popped and you will fear God.

Isa:25:7: And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Psalms:102:15: So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.

Psalms:33:8: Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Psalms:64:9: And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.

Bobby: So many like this dog, Doug, actually believe they had a born again experience, and use that to launch their hate campaign. I think the fact that God didn’t meet their fairytale expectations of wish granter, that they then decided to judge him unworthy to grant them anything.

The bitterness comes from seeing him grant his true children blessings, while ignoring the pleas of the unredeemed.

You sir have never been born again. You would know, and we most definitely would know by your words alone.

Doug: Goddamn! You two slaves just don’t get it, do you? Okay, you need lots of repetition, right? I know the bible better than you know each others penises. Why do you waste your time quoting it to me? I don’t believe in your malevolent, evil, capricious god. Most people who do not suffer with mental delusion do not believe in your god. If your bible was right – I’d be fearing this asshole, right? Well, I don’t. Because he’s about as real as your pretence to be heterosexual.

One more time – in big letters so you get it: I DENY THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS AND GOD. THEY DO NOT EXIST. IF THEY DID, I WOULD LOCK THEM UP FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

I mean, come on, look what they’ve done to you worthless, robotic, moronic, demonic suckers of satan’s cock!! Read it over twenty times and let it sink in. If you waste my time with any more scripture you’ll only be proving my point. Now, go put on your sisters underwear and let Jon pee on you, kay?

Chucky: The Lord rebuke you.

Bobby: Make that 3 Doug, I agree with Chuck and Sampson. Well, at least you admitted there is a hell, which must also mean you believe in a heaven. One may further assume then, that you also believe in a heaven creator since neither that nor hell could spontaneously create itself. Having gone that far, and knowing heaven is created by God, you must further conclude that he exists.  What was your point again?

Chucky: Doug you are trapped in bondage by your sins to your father the devil. You need to repent and believe the Gospel if you want to be saved.

Doug: D’uh, Bob… you might want to reread what I wrote, it’s all there. I do not and cannot hate god because it doesn’t exist. I hate the way you fuckers are so self-righteous, judgemental and mentally defective because you are a danger to yourself and others. Innocent people are tormented because of the bullshit you stand for. Go on, keep deluding yourself that those who don’t believe in your pathetic god are jealous that he didn’t shine his light on them. Makes you feel special, don’t it? Anywhere you can get that strong desire to feel special you’ll go there. Now, go away and suck Chuck and Jon’s willy-winkies and get that special feeling of validation you so desperately crave, you maggot faeces!

(tbc…)

© 2010 Doug The D’Awg

FARCICAL FACEBOOK CONVERSATION #4

GOD BELIEVER

VERSUS

DOUG THE DEVIL DOG

GB: ‎”If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” John 14:23-2

DD: An old girlfriend tried that guilt trip on me once. She said, “Doug, if you really love me, you’ll do what I tell you to do… and buy me that diamond encrusted collar.” I said “I love you enough to not let you think you can go around demanding anything you want and as a result, be seen as a spoilt and selfish little bitch!” She’s no longer my girlfriend, but she’s a lot better now. So, I say, if you really love Jebus, do not obey him all the time – do not give in to all of his demands. If you did, and then he and his dad came and moved in with you… well, can’t you see what knd of nightmare your life would become? So, sin at least as much as you obey him. I mean, you wouldn’t want him dying on the cross for your sins to be in vain, would you? But if he keeps pestering you to do this and do that and give him all the thanks and praise (like a little Kim Jong Il running about the place) just say, Jebus, you are acting like a spoilt and selfish bitch! and give him a good, loving, slap! Always works for me! :0) Peace & Love (it goes both ways!)

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GB: Yes, Jesus you are the protector of my life and soul.

DD: And my heart… and all my internal organs – spleen, liver, intestines, colon, pancreas, kidneys, testicles, ovaries (okay, yes, I am a hermaphrodite – dont’ judge me! Just kiddin!) fallopian tube, vas deferens, blood pump, lungs, brain, etc. Thanks for protecting them all, Jebus. You must be a very, very busy man… oops, I feel a fart coming on… Aaaah, thank you Lord! Grrrreeeaatt! That was a relief. All glory to you and your protection. But GOD – it sure stinks in here! Whooooooooffff! ;0)

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GB: One of the hardedst things a christian may ever have to do is compare themselves (there heart, mind, deeds, conscience) to scripture and then in there wretchedness try to figure out how God could possibly love us so much

DD: You’re right, Chip. You are wretched and it is mind-boggling that god loves you. He probably doesn’t. Why should he bother with such wretched sinners as yourself? Maybe its time to pack it in! ;0)

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DD: Jeesh! What a name for a christain based page. Last time I heard the word agape was when a friend was describing a porno film he’d watched! I think it was: Bonkers the Bitch Does Dallas! What would Jebus’ name be if he was a porn star? Mite E Rod? Ohmi Gawd! Bearded Steel? Cumtu Hevven? Please post your ideas here. Winning entry gets FREE Indulgences (worth $5,000!) Must be over 18! Terms & Conditions apply. (Warning: Entering this competition may have side-effects: guilt, nausea, desperation, suicide, instant inexplicable death, death by lightning strike, hell for eternity, flatulence, halitosis, hair-loss, agonising period pains, and ingrown toenails!) Ask your doctor!

Agape Jesus Do You believe in signs from afterlife? Check out this photo then answer this question. Please share with friends and family and buzz it up at the bottom of the page. Amazing.

DD: My master would never fool around with such silly ways of communicating with me – stupid signs and such stuff… My master speaks to me directly – clearly and intelligibly. And the fact that he respects my mind and thinking shows in the mature way he communicates. Your god seems to be such a capriscious, disrespectful, narcissistic, solipsistic, demanding little personality. Maybe I should get my god to school your god, eh? Yap!

© 2010 Wordwurst

GOD BELIEVER

VERSUS

DOUG THE DOG

GB: I have never been to “Las Vegas”, seen on TV a documentary about “Las Vegas”, one thing that really caught my eye, it showed the inside of a betting parlor, they showed a sign above the betting sign, the sign read…
        The best bet one can make is believing that Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose again the third day.
        The sign also included—> It’s a win win no lose situation, if Christ isn’t who He says He is on “that day”, man has nothing to worry about.
        The BIG but…”BUT”…if Christ is who He says He is and you didn’t accept Him as your Lord and Savior on this side of Glory, “YOU” will be “eternally lost”, no appeals, no lawyers, no phone calls, no visits, no mail, no saying your sorry.

DD: Wow – you take advice from the guys who run Las Vegas. I’m a dog and I wouldn’t be so bone-headed as to do that. My master, whom I lovvvve, taught me better! You guys are still trying to use Pascal’s Wager as some sort of justification for believing in ghosts and fairies. Talk about an argument from ignorance. Heh – I be b’leevn in god cuz if I r wrong it don’t make no diffrunts! But if I r right, I get to be in hebben. Yee-haw! Do you really think any god worth his title would buy that dog poo? Not me! I’d fire your ass so fast into hell you wouldn’t know if you were coming or going! Of course, if your tiny mind cannot understand science, religion is a pile of poo you can play in, like the primates all of you so obviously descend from. I know, I know… you’ll pray for me. Fair enough. I’ll think for you! Have a nice day! Whooooooft :0)

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GB: The Bible teaches us that we are all made in the image of God…. and his Spirit dwells in us (Women and men) as we know Christ as saviour. I am in no way second class! I have been set free and God’s Spirit empowers me to live for Him. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile slave or free, male or female – we are allone in Christ Jesus – brothers and sisters – to live for his glory in the power and freedom that Jesus gives. Hallelujah!!

DD: A book my master reads me called Where’s Waldo, teaches us that Waldo is very good at hiding… but that doesn’t make it any less of a made up story. If you are a woman who has read the bible cover to cover, then you would already know that you are considered to be chattle, made of the rib of man to be man’s servant. Obviously, you haven’t read it all, or you have selective memory, or have distorted the meaning to suit yourself. Either way, like all christians, you are deluding yourself about what your book says and the effect of it. I hope you will become more responsible about what you say and do – expecially around that baby you are holding in your arm, because your book also supports the idea of one human being owning another. Some god indeed! My master doesn’t own me… he is my friend! Be well!

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GB: Inside each of you is a rich person, a poor person, and a middle class person. It is up to you to decide which person you become – rich dad poor dad, by Robert Kiyosaki

DD: There are no people inside me, GB – I’m sure I’d notice. As for this class BS, what in dog’s name are you talking about? Did it ever occur to you that if you want to become a Rich Dad like Bobby, you might want to write a book telling people how to get rich and then travel the world delivering courses on it, etc? Bobby’s a charlatan whose name should be Richard Cranium! The truth is – do what you love and what you’re good at and let the money take care of itself. And, surely, being a christian, didn’t jebus say that rich men aren’t gwyne upta hebben? Come on, my friend, THINK! Be well.

GB: I have not read the book, but I have read the bible. The notion that rich people don’t go to heaven is a perfect example of taking a scripture out of context. The reference is from Matthew 19 where the rich young man came to Jesus and asked what he had to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus first told him to keep the commandments. When the man said that he does and asks what else he should do, Jesus told him to sell all he had and give it to the poor then come follow him. The famous verse is next Mt 19:24 “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Jesus what making the point that the man trusted his money more than God. God never requires us to be poor. He requires us to be obedient. The bible says that we cannot serve both God and money. Also, where a man’s treasure is, there his heart will be also. God wants our hearts and whatever stands in the way whether it be money, women, drugs, etc. will hinder us from giving our hearts to him. Read the old testament and see how wealthy some of God’s servants were. Look at Abraham. In Genesis 12:16 the bible states, “He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, menservants and maidservants, and camels. It says her he was wealthy to the point of having multiple servants. Also, in Gen 13:2 it states ” Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold. Now, this man is definitly in heaven. The point is that God wants to bless his children monetarily so they can bless others and glorify Him. 2 Corinthians 9:10-11 “Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. (11) You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. That is the word og God rightly dividedwhat he had to do to inherit eternal life. Jesus first told him to keep the commandments. When the man said that he does and asks what else he should do, Jesus told him to sell all he had and give it to the poor then come follow him. The famous verse is next Mt 19:24 “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Jesus what making the point that the man trusted his money more than God. God never requires us to be poor. He requires us to be obedient. The bible says that we cannot serve both God and money. Also, where a man’s treasure is, there his heart will be also. God wants our hearts and whatever stands in the way whether it be money, women, drugs, etc. will hinder us from giving our hearts to him. Read the old testament and see how wealthy some of God’s servants were. Look at Abraham. In Genesis 12:16 the bible states, “He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, menservants and maidservants, and camels. It says her he was wealthy to the point of having multiple servants. Also, in Gen 13:2 it states ” Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold. Now, this man is definitly in heaven. The point is that God wants to bless his children monetarily so they can bless others and glorify Him. 2 Corinthians 9:10-11 “Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. (11) You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God. That is the word of God rightly divided!

DD: GB, do you really think being able to regurgitate the bible gets you anywhere – unless its your specialist subject on MasterMind? How arrogant of you to think that your interpretation is the correct one. Whoooooofffff. Shame on you! I take the bible literally because I don’t have the bravery/stupidity/ confidence of saying, as you do – What God Meant to Say! My gosh – for such a young kid you’re acting like an egotistical, self-righteous, pompous, arrogant git! Now – go do your homework – and try to lay of the brainwashing: giving it and receiving it.

GB: Although, I enjoy the debate, I have to get back to work. I will say that you allude to being older than me, but the insults you hurl in a purely innocent debate have me questioning that. Your rebuttal should have the power to accomplish what the insults attempted. ;o)

DD: See, all communication is interpreted – sometimes rightly, sometimes not. The points I made were not intended to be insults (and I respect your right to choose to take them that way), they were mere observations about you based solely on what you said. And I’m curious to know, since you claim to know the mind of god, what do you think my ‘rebuttal’ was trying to accomplish?

GB: I owe you an apology. I may not have been as blatant, but there were insults in my replies. For that I am sorry. It is obvious that we disagree on what the truth is, but I respect your opinion, and I always welcome opposition. It causes me to be more deliberate in my studies. Be blessed!

DD: You are a big man to be able to say that and I admire you for that. Maybe you will be my friend, too. It’s a rare characteristic and therefore valuable. Yes, we do disagree, and like you, I always welcome opposition as it helps me sharpen my sword! Be real!

GB: I believe it as conviction from the Holy Spirit, you may not, but as soon as I left the comment prior to my apology I walked into my project managers’s office and started feeling dizzy. I then felt compelled to apologize. Immediately after I posted it I started feeling better. Your reply further affirmed it was the right action. That has never happened to me like that before. Crazy! I look forward to running into you again in cyberspace.

DD: Not in a car I hope! I accept your interpretation of what happened to you. My master is a neural-therapist and has explained to me how human’s filter their perception and give it meaning. Also, I operate under the presupposition that there is no REALITY so to speak, and that we all construct our own. From that standpoint, I would fight for your right to belive what you want. Grrrrr! And when any religious people reach out and try to change laws that take away my freedom… well, that’s when I get a little ticked off. So, we understand each other better now – which is great, because to me, that’s the main reason for us communicating with each other: to understand, not try to change the other person’s mind against thier will. Be well, GB man. Till we meet again! :0)

GB: Well said, Doug. Till then.

DD: Hoooowwwwl! (*wags tail and drools*)

© 2010 Wordwurst

GOD BELIEVER

VERSUS

DOUG THE DOG

GOD BELIEVER: I thank God for Dr. John MacArthur!

DOUG THE DOG: Do you thank god for Dr Tiller – the man murdered by a christian? I mean, wasn’t Dr Tiller also created by the god of which you speak? Just curious. I’m a dog on a path to discover the truth about god, or the lack thereof.

GB: As the deer pants for the water brooks, so pants my soul for You, O God.” Psalm 42:1

DD: “My pants need water to wash them when they get soiled.” Barkings 12:11 (The Word of Dog)

GB: The heavens have no voice yet they shout of God’s glory to the ends of the earth.

DD: Being a dog, I’m not as smart as humans, so, can you run that by me again. The heavens have no voice but they shout? Is this not an oxymoron?

GB: Compared to my own need of grace (past, present, & future) the grace I must show others is indeed quite small.

DD: ??

GB: You can’t muster up a heart of affections for Christ & the things of God…you must be born again.

DD: When I was born, amongst a large litter of little squealing pups, somehow, they managed to push me in again. A few minutes later I came out again. I’ve been born again from the very start. Wooof!

GB: If we started to hear “damn” & “hell” in their proper biblical use in more pulpits, we might hear them less as everyday cuss words.

DD: Hell yeah! I agree with that. And damn all those who don’t!

GB: Only 1 creature, man not angel, can live to the praise of the glory of God’s grace because he has personally experienced it in redemption.

DD: I am that creature – behold: I am DOG! Man is my best friend and master. When I met my master I said: I hid under the house because I love you, master! He is good to me. And even if I make mistakes he loves me and tries to teach me better. He’s promised to never throw me into the fire of which I am very afraid. I love him. He is good to me and would never burn me up for all eternity. Woof!

GB: Christ never asked for help in carrying the cross yet He requires those who want to follow Him to deny self & take up their cross daily.

DD: As a dog, I have no self to speak of. I don’t have a cross either. But I have a ball – will that do?

Will you be my friend?

GB: There’s a fine line between discernment and a critical spirit. I know because I have crossed it far too many times.

DD: Me too! I used to try to color inside the lines, too, when I was a pup, but so often went outside of them. But my teacher, Mrs Izzardtail, told me it was bad if I didn’t stay inside them. She also said, flowers are red and grass is green. Eventually, I came to dislike art and gave up on it. Now I just look at other dog’s art on the screen of my computer. Ah well. I suppose my artistic flair and desire was crushed out of me for some higher and better purpose. I’ll be happy to share that with you as soon as I find out what it is. God only knows!

GB: True communion with Christ doesn’t fit on a “To-Do” list.

DD: Darn! I’m going to have to cross that one off then!

GB: Jesus never cast out the demon of any sin but commanded the sinner to repent.

DD: Does a human have to pent before s/he can repent?

GB: “I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak” Matt 12:36 Makes me reconsider before posting on FB!

DD: Me is verrrrry careful what I speak, not because I’m afraid of the big dog in the sky, but because I am man’s best friend. And sadly, I know that some men are very thin-skinned and sensitive and can easily distort the meaning of things said or written into something they find offensive but was never intended. The Big Dog made me and he is my master and I loovvve him. If I do something wrong he teaches me. He never does anything bad to me so I do not fear him. I love him because I want to… not because of horrific events that will unfold if I don’t! That’s why I am sympathetic to man! Some people actually believe and tell others that their creator will have them burn in agony for eternity over some finite crime! Barking! Whooff!

GB: Special early morning time of communion with Christ flees all too quickly. Looking forward to eternity with Him in glory.

DD: Me don’t understand. You want to die? Should I say: Hope you get there soon? Confused. 😦

© 2010 ORP

RK Can you believe that there is a protest in Ireland today where all women are asked not to go to mass to protest that there are no female priests! Dont think that will get much support…anyone under fifty generally does not go to mass anyway and anyone over fifty is completely against woman priests!!! Ahhh you gotta laugh at these feminists though…

RMcA They must have nothing better to do!

TtT they should stay at home cooking and cleaning if they have nothing better to do LMAO 😉

FH I say your wall under 50 and going to mass.i’ve lost faith in the Irish and world church.i’ve sold my stock in it and now all my stock is in islam.

OM Why would any woman in Ireland want to be a priest? I dont’ get it!

RK Exactly Rita! O, I do not know why any woman would want to be a priest, especially with the state of the church in Ireland. Every day there is some new scandal.

OM That’s what I mean! Why would anyone want to belong to such a sick, corrupt organisation? Why don’t these women get together and form their own religion – one where they leave the goddamn kids alone! 😉

JK I NEVER LOST MY FAITH. HAS I ALL WAY SAY NEVER LOOK ON ANY ONE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO PICK THEM UP

OM I’m not sure what that means, John…?

JK MY FAITH IS IN GOD ONLY, IF PEOPLE HAVE NO FAITH THATS GOOD TO

OM Weird – my last comment seems to have disappeared for some reason.

John, I was just sayng that maybe you don’t know that your caps lock is on. I was asking if you think it’s a good thing for people to believe in things they do not have evidence for? Is that not a fair question for me to ask? If it offended you it wasn’t my intention. I apologise for being curious about and interested in your faith. I’ll just shutup then. Cheers!

JK dont worry take care all

FH In the muslim world their is no pedofiles Because they be stoned to deat if they did anything to a child.

OM Fionn – you’re a funny guy and are obviously joking! It is my understanding that the so-called Prophet Muhammed married a 6 yr old girl named Aisha and had sex with her when she was 9. My muslim friend told me yesterday that a muslim man can marry a girl of any age and can have sex with her when she reaches puberty – whatever age that may be. With that in mind, do you really think this is something you should be joking about? Just curious. But, go ahead, ignore me – most people who cannot argue their position usually do!! 😉

FH That’s in poor area’s of muslim’s country’s like in some parts of nigera and some place’s like that.

KG Feres Querine Intellituim – Faith seeking understanding . We are born with Faith ,its the seeking to understand . The existance of God is in our Children and Animals ,for they too have no voice but yet contain the mystery of Gods existance…. Many Theologians have stood before a pope and aurgued against the Hiearchy of one Branch of a Church . The Roman Catholic Church is there to show us what not to do . Leonardo Boff Theologian of Latin America wrote a 26 page Letter to the Vatican 2 Council of 1962 stating that a church must come from grass roots up and Not from the Sky Down . This is called Liberation Theology . would one attend a celebration of The Eurchurist if priest had family and was married ? Today marks the end of Patriarchal cycle and marks the beginning of The Matriarchal . For nutrance in order to find the understanding of your faith . Another question upon death do you want a priest to give you your last rites , to stand and hold ceremony to your passing in order to comfort your loved ones who mourn ? This is a tradition of Faith of which all celebrate the faith that dwells inside us ,no matter what domain it is . With the Ordiance of Nature as we are all part of and can not depart from only in death . Has this wonderous Majestic genius design planet no creator ? In the 15th Century Bible Mary Magdeline was removed by the Roman Catholic Church as Jesus partner . A Dei Verbertum letter does exsist stating the Church wanted to control women’s lives . The RC has died and a resurrection like Jesus death has come again proven of GOD’S exsistance . The following of women in to the Priesthood is the union of Mary and Jesus . Dan Brown may have written a book about it ,but he did read the Bible of 15th Century . This Morning I listened to the Gospel of which it is Jesus you recognise his true Servants of his word . And will close the door on those who do not serve him . I am a woman I am studying Theology ,I am a Catholic who attended Mass and celebrated the Holy Eurchrist with two Priest’s who followed their hearts and got married . They serve the word of God and from them I hear it . Now having said all this would you want to see me celebrate with you ?

Tim O’ Donoghue You say it all there K!! Very impressive argument!!

OM Hi K, just wondering about you saying we are born with faith. Do you mean every single person? I wasn’t. Nor many people I know. I didn’t have it then, don’t have it now. Since the Roman Catholic Church is there to show us what not to d…o, well, I guess you mean that literally -for example: we should not rape and torture people, especially children. I guess they’re showing us what not to do in this area quite a lot. Is Liberation Theology an oxymoron? How can you be free if you are a slave? Nutrance – what’s that? I will definitely not choose to have a priest or any so-called ‘holy’ person giving me anything when I die… so, where does that leave me? You ask if the world has a creator and still nobody yet has any proof either way – so, the most honest thing anyone can say is: I don’t know. I guess that’s where believing something without evidence comes in. To answer your last question – no, I wouldn’t care to see you or anyone celebrating whatever it is you’re talking about (you really lost me with what you said because it simply makes no sense in a grammatical way, and, unfortunately, that’s all we’ve got here in writing). What I’d like to know from someone who claims to know the mind of god (that supposedly god itself said we could not!) why it is that with everyone praying and prayer working sometimes, getting god to intervene on our behalf, he hasn’t yet decided to stop the priests (and other pedarests) from raping and torturing children? I wish someone would tell me a good reason. The well is full of pennies. I hope you can help – being a catholic studying theology and being friends with two men who follow a book that calls their nature an abomination and all. Sincerely, O 😉

KG I apologise as I too am on a journey of seeking to understand my Faith . If you and I traveled around the World . Each culture has a Book that has been handed down by the Past . Collective they talk about Faith . From Ancient Egypt right up to the present Humankind writes about how they start with ‘Reason ‘ logic explainations of what we see . Yet this yerning craving as you put it to see God ( to which in theology regarded as proof of your faith existance ,because you called God ,God and not by any other name ) your questioning is also showing the birth of your Theology ‘ talk of GOD’S word . So there is the presentation of your faith born inside you . You question god therefore you are seeking an understanding . Philosophy Reason came first followed by Theology . Both are attributes of Human making being a reality . Your reality is you and your essenance . Child Abuse is a crime againist God exsistance here on earth . The fact that the truth behind these crimes never went away . Means for me that the Wrath of God came from those who lied and covered up . The Roman Catholic Church do not represent the Holy Covenant . For the lies and deceit has shown us the Moral Evil , to which we have come to known . There is no fitting punishment on this Earth that will give us Justice . The Holy Covenant is not the wine and bread which we where led to believe . It is the people . The second Coming is not in what this Hiearchy have said . It is the people who have seen the true identities of Christ , buddha muhammad all the Prophets and Saints . I too have here expressed my deep anger towards this false Church . Because of 3 of my family Members where Raped in Letterfranc and Goldenbridge . Yvonne ,Billy and Vincent . Yvonne & Billy Committed Sucidie and my cousin Vincent faced the Moriarty Tribunal alone. My Family & I sat by his side as we looked on powerless and watch a 43 year old man in agony cry as a priest stood up pointed at him and yelled Liar . I stood up and shouted you are the liar of which you lied to God therefore he will shut his door on the imposter . O you are the living embodiment of God .I am we all are . Parents who have children sacrifice their lives by clothing educating loving their Children that is tradition of Faith . Our sOuls are with us noone can take it away . As a woman I want to be able to particpate in knowing that my reason has the accomplishments of my faith . O when I look around and see death ,pain decay violence I stop Campaign and pray for it to end . My prayers for the lies of the Church for me where answered . I am here , we are the Holy Covenant are here . I want peace . For the anger is killing me . I am considering the priesthood and Marrying have children . In honour of my dead relatives . Never put yourself down O by calling yourself an idiot . Just take your power back and spread Peace .xx Happiness is the key for me . I attended a funeral of which nothing was done or said not even a toast to my aunts memory . It was very depressing and extremely lonely . you have your freewill to do whatever you wish at your funeral.

OM Thanks for taking the time to write that. By this logic, am I to take it that when a friend of mine talks about his belief in aliens and I ask him about that, that is the presentation of my faith inside me? My faith in the existence of aliens? I’m confused. 😦

KG O there are Societies organisations that gather and talk about their faith of aliens existance . When you attended your friends gathering or his talk about it . Give respect But you have the right too in regards to discussing your faith . I too have met people of different faiths . But R status was about  women becoming priests and those who protest . Which is why we have Protestant faith to which they are christians who Protested agianist the ROMAN Cathoilc Church 15th Century on two things , viginity of Mary and why Women should join the Ministery of Faith.. I too have met people of different faiths . But R status was about women becoming priests and those who protest . Which is why we have Protestant faith to which they are christians who Protested agianist the ROMAN Cathoilc Church 15th Century on two things , viginity of Mary and why Women should join the Ministery of Faith.

O Marshal ‎$cientology, invented by an alchoholic drug-addicted science-fiction writer, talks about Xenu the Evil Emperor getting rid of his overpopulated planet by taking the people on planes to earth and dropping them into volcanoes where their spirits rose up out of their charred bodies and attached themselves in clusters to the human race and are as a result the source of all our problems and when we ‘clear’ ourselves of these thetans we’ll all be happy and living in peace together. Are you really saying I should ‘respect’ this ridonkulous idea? Do tell… 😉

K Golden Every one has free will to stay or leave . Makes a great episode for Star Trex ? God bless Gene Rodenberry . The main Thesis to R Status . Would the Church Support women priest . I am considering . Protesting by Boycotting has its advantages and disadvantage . Question remains would one attend Mass if the priesthood was of equal gender ? Question is directed at those who believe in the Christian faith . O please stick to Rosiemarie Status and not pass judgement on peoples faith .

K Golden I leave with a quote from a Man who proclaimed to be a Failed artist on canvas but has become art ,he was crucified as the first westerner ,a Drug Addict ,a Prostitute , A Dandy , Wittist author of ‘ Dandy in the Underworld ‘ a son ,a husband , a Lover a Gentleman . A loyal friend . ” I am a poet , I do not create poetry , God Creates I assemble” Sebastian Horsley . 1962 – 2010 RIP

OM I thought you said earlier something about respecting another’s religion/faith, which is why I asked the above question about Scientology. You have not answered. You now switch it to not judging people’s faith. Okay, I have the same question about that: are you saying that I shouldn’t judge the faith of Scientology based on the unproven and fantastical ideas they believe in? If I do not judge it, how can I decide whether I want to follow it or not? Do you see why I’m confused by your proclamation? If I don’t judge any faith, how do I choose which faith to have faith in? I would be grateful if you’d just answer this one question as you have not answered any of them so far, and without any answers I feel this is going around in shallow circles. Thanks for your patience.

KG you called it ridiculous that is not judging that is passing judgement in a prejudgement manner . To seek understanding a Faith . Start with ok I am born with Faith . Through Philosophy & Theology . Philo Sophia lover of Wisdom . I will read the Theo logius . Their logic perspective on their written word of God . Through that by using what I inherited at birth Faith in Seeking Understanding .. What has been written talked debated practised and finally believed in . In order to complete the circle of which you travel . ” I can never find the limits of my soul , no matter how many roads I took , so deep is its Mystery ” Heraculitus . Happy travelling . 

OM You say calling it ridiculous is not judging. Then go on to say that it is passing judgement in a prejudgement manner. Which, I think means, that you are making the judgement that I prejudged Scientology – judged them before I knew about them. I don’t know what may have given you that idea. I am a veritable expert on the cult of Scientology and there is nothing prejudiced in my comments. Yet again, K, meaning well as you do, you haven’t answered me in any understandable way. Maybe it’s just that I’m not used to reading lines of words with full-stops thrown in at random, and as a result, not one sentence making sense. So none of this was in vain, do you think you’d be so kind as to simply say yes or no to the following questions: Are you saying I should respect ALL religious beliefs – no matter what they are? Are you saying I should not judge ANY religious beliefs – no matter what they are? I’d be truly grateful if you could succinctly clear this up for me. Thanks. O

KG O read Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift . And yes are pre judging all of religion’s and their tradition’s . That is how you are confused . Go down to Middle Abbey Street and tell the Sciencetologist what you just said about them .Go… to Milstreet School of pHilosophy, Go to the proCatherdral Church and tell them to their face what you think of them . Go to Meath and tell the Budhist was you think of them . Go down to the South Cicular road and tell the Muslims what you think of them .Go to Rialto Canal and tell the Rabbi what you think of them . Go to Fairview and tell the Vicar what you think of them . Go to Parliment Street and tell the propietor of House of Astrology what you think of them . Go to Clonegal and tell Lady Olivia what you think of her in the Temple of Isis . Go to Lahinch and tell John Mac Carthy what you think of clare Evangleist Church . Go to where ever Doreen Marron is reading Tarot cards and tell her what you are thinking . And when you have finished travelling . Remember this you, have not left this Island and yet you have travelled through 2 milleniums of tradition’s of Faith . Have a cup of tea sit on a rock and realise Hey I am alive to do all that . All that I ask is that you do it with a happy heart and not an angry one .

OM Again, thank you for your words. And thank you for answering me. I’m not sure how we got to you judging that I have pre-judged all religions and even Tarot card readers and so on. Reading back over these writings I cannot find that anywhere. I did all my research about Scientology and gave my judgement on them. You have answered my question about religion, I think – and say that I should not prejudge them. Are you specifically saying that even after I’ve checked into and researched one of them I am still not allowed to judge them negatively?

KG no O you make your mind up if you like or dislike stay or walk away . I mentioned all those domian of Fatih Cause I walked that road . Have chosen Old 5th Century Catholism where Priest are allowed to marry . latin masses too . Atheism is a tradition of faith too . Lol forgot about that one .

OM Great. I’m so glad we sorted that out. You do think I am within my rights to judge. Whew! Now, sorry to have to say this, but Atheism is NOT a faith. If I do not believe in a supernatural god like you do, it does not require faith. If that …were the case, then my disbelief in leprechauns and unicorns would also be a faith – and as we both know, that would be ridiculous. In fact, it would mean that I had thousands upon thousands of faiths because there are so many things I don’t believe in. Since I am an Atheist I would kindly ask that you not spread the erroneous propaganda that Atheism is anything more than not believing is something unprovable. However, you are free – as you know – to do as you choose. I just don’t want you to look really silly if you say that around any thinking person. LOL! 😉

KG oh but it is once there are more than one and if you look thru history fairies leprechaun Ghosts gobblins where believed Vampires .there is no escape from passing from reason to faith . It is all down to communicating . How did that Theolo…gy of non existance of God come about . Through a writer who thought about God wrote about it in a very Theologian Mode of discourse .” I do not believe in the existance of God” yeah but you had thought about him in order to disowned and you with your basic human curiosity thought about it too . Faith Seeking Understanding . And I am not a fool nor afraid . That you and I are the source of inspiration to all of Talk on what is occupying Our time on earth . By the way I may say and have the right to say . Priest’s ordained in the Roman Catholic Church of which there is thousand’s doing great work and innocent . Only 80 have been named . The downfall is their cover up on these 80 criminals . O you have a good life and wish you all the best in the world . God bless

OM Thank you, K. And may the Lord of The Pixies sprinkle you with magic poof dust and bless you! Be well! 🙂

THOU SHALT NOT 7

This is right to the point. Don’t do adultery, right?

Simple, no?

Yes. As you know, and I don’t need to tell you, and you knew I was going to say that anyway… What, specifically do you mean by adultery?

Why don’t you look up that book of yours and stop bothering me with your silliness!

Dic says: Adultery [uhduhl-tuh-ree]   –noun, plural -ter·ies. voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse. Does that about sum it up for you?

I have no qualms with that.

Good. So, I’m wondering… if the sex is voluntary, then why do you call it a sin and command us never to do it?

Because the married person would be cheating on his wife.

Cheating, eh? And what’s that when it’s at home for the evening?

Cheating is being untrue, unfaithful, breaking your word, your promise! That’s not allowed!

Well, don’t raise your voice at me, Mr God! – how in your name was I supposed to know that being untrue, unfaithful, breaking your word, your promise was not allowed? You haven’t said a word about any of those in your commandments so far!

Have I not? Well, even so – you should know that anyway.

Why? Your followers tend to think that we get our morals from you and nowhere else.

That’s true. You get everything from me. I am the Beginning and the End. I am the Giver and the Taketh awayer!

Okay, so you give us everything – including the desire to want to jump some hot chick even when we’re married…

Mmmm Latina hot?

Sure. Whatever you like. And while you’re thinking about that one, Mr God, perhaps you’d say whether it would still be a sin to break this commandment if the man’s wife was, let’s say, a voyeur and got her rocks off acting like a peeping Tom and actually instructed her husband to commit adultery… then, I mean, he wouldn’t be cheating then, right?

As my son said –

Which one?

Oh, yes, quite. My number one son – Jesus of Nazareth.

He’s your favourite then is he, dad? That’s not the nicest thing to hear you know, if you put yourself in my position. It kinda sucks really, if you wanna know the truth.

Come on, son. He was special because he… well, he was actually me!

That’s right. And the Holy Ghost – was he part of it too, part of the long, drawn out torture scene?

It’s hard to tell with the Ghost, but yes, I felt his presence. Anyway, as I said once, or maybe twice, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That should clear this up. Just get into the vibe of that, son, and you’ll gain wisdom.

I don’t think so. It’s more like you’ve just thrown a Spaniard in the works!

Mmmm Spanish hot!

I mean, what if the man’s wife, as well as being a voyeur, is also into S&M, bondage, and all that whips and chains, leather and rubber stuff, you know?

Yes. Go on…

What if she were to take your last instruction to heart? She likes being whipped and beaten, spanked and fisted, so what you’re saying is, and correct me if I’m wrong, that she should do (those things) unto others because that is what she’d have them do unto her?

Ah Jesus, come on now, you’re twisting my words!

Thomas, actually! And I’m not – I’m simply testing the meaning and validity of the words by putting them into a context. In this context, they don’t really hold up, do they? I mean, you of all supreme beings – not that there are any others, but if there were – you of all should be able to see how us stupid humans who can never understand you anyway often find your utterances to be ambiguous and absurd.

I put it the best way I could at the time I thought it up. It sounded really good then… but, yes, if I could change it, I would, but to what?

Try this on for size: Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.

Interesting. Let me digest that momentarily. Okay, I think I get it… but how would one human know how another human wanted to be done unto? As you rightly point out, you are all basically stupid.

That’s the cool part. They’d have to find out instead of assume. They’d have to get to know each other for who they really are and not through the blood-tinted glasses with the broken frames of bigoted religious beliefs that by their very nature are exclusive and divisive. Instead of wishing and praying, we could be learning and enjoying, accepting and exploring, getting a deeper understanding.

Like I said, stupid. You presuppose that humans know what’s good for them and can choose accordingly. They cannot. That’s why they need a Big Baddy to lay down the law wearing a glove of steel and velvet. They need my intervention from time to time.

What happened to free-will, daddy-o?!

(God shuffled his feet.)

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THOU SHALT NOT 5

5. Honor thy father and thy mother.

That’s pretty sweeping, isn’t it? I mean, when, where, how, why, and for how long?

All the time. Anywhere. By showing them the respect and giving them the dignity they deserve. Because they created you – you owe them everything, including your life. Forever. Amen.

I see. That sounds like a fairly tall order, don’t you think? You also presuppose that a person should be grateful for being brought into this world, that it’s simply a given. But, did it ever occur to you that maybe some people don’t want to be sucked onto this planet and held down by gravity for a human lifetime? You make it sound as though the child is automatically responsible for its parents – their sense of respect and dignity – and somehow owes them its life. I don’t get that, Mr God. If it has to be that way at all, then why not the other way around?

What other way around?

Since the parents made a conscious decision (assuming that anyway) to have the child, and the child had no say in the matter, then doesn’t it stand to reason that it should be the parents who are responsible for the child and they, in fact, owe it their lives?

Do you have any children of your own?

Uhh – you got me there, Mr God. What do you mean?

I mean what I say!

I mean, is this a trick question or something?

What do you think I am, a magician or something?

Well, actually, yes, sort of. Aren’t you?

I am Everything and Nothing!

I won’t pretend to know what that means, but it sounds kind of cool. Anyway, what I was trying to say was that your question threw me a little because… well, you know… you know everything.

So?

Well, you do know how many children I have, don’t you?

Ridiculous and ludicrous! Since I know every hair on your head, how could I not know how many children you have?

Well, since you put it that way, yes, I guess it would be crazy… since you know everything and all. You don’t have to tell me, if you don’t want to.

You’re losing me, son. Can you hurry this up?

Okay, I’m ready to wrap this one up, I think. I just want to make sure that this commandment applies to all children – which is to say, every person of every age – at all times. Can you speak to that for a moment, Mr God?

Yes, for everyone, at all times. That’s the point of these commandments, son – don’t you get it yet? This is the law I have laid down for you to live by. I gave you life in the first place. I am the decider!

Hey, did you just quote George Dubya Bush? You joker! That’s funny. I’m kind of relieved somewhat to find you have a sense of humor. I like that. That’s a likeable trait.

Oh, well, yes. Thank you. Please, carry on…

I’m just talking about when you smile like that – yes, that’s it, just like that! – you lighten up and there seems to be a softer, more loving God that comes to the surface, you know… kinda like Dubya – the kind of guy I’d like to sit and have a beer with, shoot the breeze and chill coolin’ in the suds, if you get what I’m sayin’…

Gosh, I… I don’t know… what to say…

Wow – who’d ever have thunk it? God speechless! Far out! Hey, are you blushing? Is that a little pink under that white beard?

Naaahh…

Oh, Mr God, are you crying? Soaking that bushy beard? It’s all right, you just let it all out now… but what is it? What’s making you cry like a Little Miss Sunshine who’s just lost the competition?

Nobody’s ever… well, treated me like this. You said you’d like to chill with me, like a friend, just hang. All I ever get is people asking me for stuff. And you know what sucks? They do it all week long, but come Sunday – my one and only day off – they really blast me out of it. Even if they offer me something, it’s always with some hidden agenda, you know. Like, Dear God, o deargododeargododeargod, I want to show you my adoration by staying off of chocolate this Lent. I shall do it in your name! It is a tremendous sacrifice – but, of course, what am I saying? – you already know that, don’t you? Anyway, hope all is well with you… and your… you and the angels. I’m about 3 stone overweight right now and if you could see your way to helping me shed the pounds, I’d be eternally grateful and would owe you even more adoration and praise and worship, as we move forward, you and I, olord, on the ground… crawling over lines in the sand, getting tired sometimes, redoubling our efforts… as we go into the future, hand in hand, and, sometimes, you carrying me when I cannot bear to go on due to thirst, hunger and imminent death darkening everything in its vampire-like black shadow, leaving only your footsteps in the sand… ad nauseum.

Oh, come on now, Mr God… here, use this handkerchief. I promise you it’s clean.

I already knew that.

Of course you did. And you know how you’re saying in this commandment – your number 5 in your Top 10 – that all children should always honor their parents, right?

I do. I am saying that. It’s what it says on the tin, isn’t it? Why’s it so hard communicating with you people?

Only you know that.

? –

So, if a child was brought up by parents who were neglectful, abusive, and without a shred of compassion or love in their bones, that child should honor them anyway – to hell with what they did, the way they acted, just honor them anyway, whether they deserve it or not – is that what you are actually saying… I mean literally?

I keep telling you, my son, I gave you free-will. People get to choose. And that’s more than what some of us get, if you get my meaning. Anyway, what kind of tyrant would I be if I didn’t give you free-will? You’d be like brain

dead zombies or robots or something. And what fun would that be?

That’s an interesting way of looking at it, I’ll give you that. And, on that very point, free-will… tell me, Mr God, when you think of the defenceless, small doll-like child being abused by some grown up human being, I’m just wondering, you know… where’s that child’s free-will?

It’s not that simple. I have a divine plan, you’ll just have to trust me on that. And even if I tried to explain it to you, you wouldn’t understand.

But, I thought you were omnific – that you could do anything you wanted to do.

I can. But, it gets complicated, you know?

I see that it does. You are all powerful and all mighty and yet you cannot explain to us humans in a way we’d understand what your divine plan is. Surely, the fact that you cannot do something negates the claim to be able to do anything, right? Anyway, am I to understand that your divine plan, the one that you dreamed up, designed and are right now manifesting into existence includes innocent children being raped and tortured by some of the human beings that… well, dare I say it?

Say it!

That you created. Since that’s what’s happening, then we can conclude that its part of your divine plan.

I work in mysterious ways! You cannot know my divine plan!

Why not?

Why not?! What? Preposterous and red-boiled lobsterous! We covered this, didn’t we? Do you have Alzheimer’s son?

Do I?

If I reveal my cunning plan and prove my existence then you would no longer have the wonderful gift – the gift I saw fit to bestow on you – of free-will. And look at the thanks I get! Ingrate!

So, I take it that you’re not going to answer my question about the little children… the little children who have to suffer to come unto you. What in the hell does that mean anyway? There’s so many things wrong with that sentence. Firstly, you decree that all the children must suffer? Why? Did you suffer? Are you just sharing the suffering? Trying to get us to carry the cross for your sins the way you made your (as far as we know) only son be tortured to death on two planks of wood stuck together?

I Am The Son! And The Holy Ghost, too! We are the Holy Trinity. We are three, yet we are one!

And I am the walrus, goo googa joob! So, to change the subject  here for a brief moment, and get back to it in even less time, isn’t suicide a sin? A whopper sized sin?

You can count on it!

So, if you are your son, then didn’t you kill yourself? Commit suicide, as it were?

You are my son, and you shalt honor me as you shalt your mother and father, but even more, and you shalt not try to be a smartass with me!

Gotcha, Big Guy! Guess you’re not going to touch that one – and I don’t blame you. I know I couldn’t defend it myself… but then again, you’re God, right. The Big G! You don’t have to explain anything to us. And we wouldn’t get it even if you did. Not because you failed to communicate effectively, but that we failed to understand you, stupid us!? So, before we go around in circles here, like dogs chasing their own tails –

Or licking their own balls –

Yes, okay, then, it could be like that too. Tell me, Mr God, what’s your number 6 in the Top 10 of All Time?… (Next blog: Thou Shalt Not Kill!)

© 2010 Owen Pardue

THOU SHALT NOT 4

Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy.

Well put. How simple can you get?

Right! That’s what I’m saying.

I guess, you could say it this way, too – Keep the Sabbath Day Holy?

Certainly.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the Sabbath Day? And why should I remember to keep it Holy? And what is Holy anyway?

Go on, then, look it up in you dictionary book thingy!

It says: noun

1. the seventh day of the week, Saturday, as the day of rest and religious observance among Jews and some Christians. Ex. 20:8–11.

2. the first day of the week, Sunday, similarly observed by most Christians in commemoration of the Resurrection of Christ.

3. any special day of prayer or rest resembling the Sabbath: Friday is the Muslim Sabbath.

I’m just confused. Which one is it? Is it Saturday? Is it Sunday? Is it any old day at all? And if so, does that mean I have to keep every day Holy? And if not, why do I only have to keep one day Holy? I suppose it might help if I were to really understand the word Holy, eh?

Let’s check the Dic. As an adjective, it tells us, 1.  specially recognized as or declared sacred by religious use or authority; consecrated: holy ground.

2. dedicated or devoted to the service of god, the church, or religion: a holy man.

3.saintly; godly; pious; devout:a holy life.

4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love.

5. entitled to worship or veneration as or as if sacred: a holy relic.

6. religious: holy rites.

7. inspiring fear, awe, or grave distress: The director, when angry, is a holy terror.

You know, I still don’t really know what it is. I could pretend to, if you want, but –

I Am Holy! Holy is God, God is me, I am He, and we are all together. You’ve heard of the Holy Trinity, haven’t you?

No, but I’ve heard of the Fab 4! Ta-Dah! Maybe I should worship the Beatles? Maybe when John said they were bigger than Jesus, he meant that they were also greater and more god-like. If I asked him to prove he was god, he’d tell me not to tempt him. But no, knowing John (as I didn’t), he’d most likely have said: God is a concept by which we measure our pain. And then, he’d say it again. And he’d say, I don’t believe in Jesus, I don’t believe in Elvis, I don’t believe in Kings, I don’t believe in Beatles… I just believe in me.

He was a blasphemer! Everyone knows what happens to those who blaspheme!

Is that, like, to take your name in vain?

Yes. And I already warned you about that. Now, look at the time! You really want to get your skates on, son!

You know how you made us and all, right?

Sure.

Well, you know how you deliberately made us forgetful because if you hadn’t done it deliberately then it would have been a mistake and since you are omnific and therefore by definition cannot make any mistakes, you made us forgetful sometimes, right?

Yes, humans are forgetful creatures all right. Elephants have better memories than you lot…

Well, if you made us to be forgetful sometimes, and sometimes that forgetfulness falls upon the Sabbath Day – whatever day that is – why don’t you simply forgive us and get on with more important things, like, ending world hunger, or creating a plan for peace and love?

Don’t blame me! You have free-will – I gave that to you, a gift from my heart – and what thanks do I get? I just get it thrown back in my face all the time! I will not be held responsible for my children!

Mr God, I have to warn you – if you’re going to mingle with the people on this planet, you better not say that! You’d be locked up, if not stoned to death by an angry, religious mob first.

I will not be held responsible for my children! I gave you free-will!

Sssshh…. Keep it down! You’d be the first to agree that parents are responsible for the children they create and bring into this world helpless, dependent, in need of love and understanding, hugs and kisses. What age were we when you kicked us out of your house and washed your hands of us? Were we over 18?

Your man-made laws hold no sway over me. They are beneath me. You can never understand me!

Then why do you bother trying to communicate with us at all? What’s the point? You made us too stupid to conceive of you, to understand you in any meaningful way, so why bother?

Sometimes I ask myself that very question. Why do I bother? It’s a good one all right.

Did you ever consider giving up?

Oh, no, never. I have a dream. A vision. I am compelled and driven to realise it.

I get that. Really, I do. But, what’s the problem? You’re God with a capital G, dude! If you want it to be that way, and you are the supreme ruler, the be all and end all, the alpha and the omega, omni-everything, then why don’t you just make it like that? You could just fold your arms, wink your eyes and crinkle your nose like Jeannie on that old TV show called I Dream of Jeannie, and – Pooft! – your dream made manifest. So, I just don’t get what’s the problem.

Yeah, well, that’s because you cannot conceive of me or the world I live in, and who my masters are, and so on and so forth. So, let’s just move on, shalt you!

I shall. Just tell me this. Which day should I keep Holy?

That’d be telling! You are free to make your own decision, son. I just hope, for your sake, it’s the right one. And there’s only one right one!

Okay. I don’t have to choose right now, do I? Oh, cool. Because I really do want to think about that one a bit more before making any rash decisions. You know what I’m saying, big Guy?

Now you’re getting the hang of it!

Thanks, dad!

God! Call me God!

God!

Good. Now onto my 5th favourite commandment. Honor thy father and thy mother…

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Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain.

So, you’re saying that I should not take your name in vain?

Absolutely!

At first, I think I understand this sentence, but then, the word vain starts waving a flag at me. Let’s look it up so we can agree that we are speaking of the same thing, fair enough?

Continue.

Okay. Basically, the Dic says:

1. excessively proud of or concerned about one’s own appearance, qualities, achievements, etc.; conceited: a vain dandy.

2. proceeding from or showing personal vanity: vain remarks.

3. ineffectual or unsuccessful; futile: a vain effort.

4. without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless:vain pageantry; vain display.

5. Archaic . senseless or foolish.

And?

Well, when you say not to say your name in vain, what do you mean? For example: Do you mean to say that if I am an excessively proud person, concerned about my own appearance, qualities, achievements, that I shouldn’t speak your name?

Exactly.

Are you saying that most Christians are breaking this commandment? I mean, what if I was a proud person, but I was also proud of you, and went around trying to witness to people about your glory… what then? Would I be allowed to say your name under that set of circumstances?

Sounds reasonable.

Great! Thanks. This is working wonderfully. Do you see how really useful it is to understand what you’re trying to say?

Good. Shall we move on?

Yes, we shall. And, I hope you don’t mind, just before we do, I just want to tie up the loose ends here before we move forward to your next favourite, number 4. It’s just this: If my friend, Bob, told me not to take his name in vain, I honestly wouldn’t have a clue what he was talking about. What do you mean, Mr God?

Obviously I’m going to have to dumb this down for you… but, here goes: if you say good things about me, things that give me thanks and praise, that’s cool, you can say my name then. But if you’re talkin’ trash, you know, dissing me, as you’d probably say, that’s a no-no. Big time. I won’t stand for that –

Okay. It’s cool. You’re cool. Calm down. Breathe. Why not we move to number 4.

I thought you’d never ask!

(Next blog: Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy.)

© 2010 ORPS6