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Leo: How about, instead of discriminating against gays, we discriminate against those who discrimnate against gays? Let’s start with the bitch above and her gay husband. Who’s with me?

Rick: Leo..u were doing good until the bitch part…

Shirley: ‎^ agree with rob the “b***h and er gay husband” part is discrediting

Leo: WTF? She is a bitch. And her husband is gay. Discrediting to whom? I have no understanding of what you guys are saying. I live in Ireland where we call a spade a spade. What’s wrong with that?

Rick: Leo, i think you’re a great guy. love your comments ..b…h is a derogatory/demeaning term for women, like using fa..t for a gay person…times change, and so do we.

Shirley: combating discrimination with terms that stem from a derogatory/discriminating nature only creates an ugly web of more discrimination of another form. Gay is a word used to discrminate as is the other. use of them discredits an argument against uour poin. But ignore me im just a lowly college student.

Leo: I’m trying to understand you, Rick: when you say ‘we’, who, specifically, do you mean?

Billy: Be careful here. Gay is not always used in the pejorative. It is called the lgbt movement remember. I know many gay men who prefer the term gay to homosexual. That said, it is important to NOT use the word as a term of derision.

Leo: Is somebody jumping to the erroneous assumption that I used the word ‘gay’ as a term of derision?

Billy: I think the assumption sprang from the pairing. When you use one extremely insulting phrase in tandem with another descriptive phrase, it is common for that association to be made.

Leo: I appreciate that Billy, and that may be so. I would like to hear from Rick, though, and Shirley. I respect your view, but, in my view, their are no extremely insulting phrases or bad words. There are, I’ll admit, those who interpret words and phrases to be insulting or bad. I ask those people to be mature and own that. If they want to know what another person meant, perhaps they should ask and not jump to incorrect conclusions… no?

Billy: It’s a shame that there isn’t a word for: “Obviously sexually confused individual who tries to bury their own proclivities behind a thin veneer of religion and homophobia”, then you could have used that instead.

Rick: Leo..as in ‘we the people’ , I can be pretty out there at times on FB with my comments, I like to be personal and intimate with my FB Friends, at the same time it’s not like we are down the pub knocking back pints and letting it rip. and …miss Malone, if i ever hear you, an amazing, talented, beautiful young lady..who has a huge headstart with a great Irish surname..lol..refer to yourself as ‘lowly, u will be defriended and i will have Mary take u to the woodshed..;-)

Leo: So, you speak for the people, eh? I wasn’t aware of that, Rick. I read what you said, but nowhere in there did I glean an answer to my question. So, I’ll repeat it: Did you make the incorrect assumption that I meant the word ‘gay’ as a term of derision, or did you not? I would like to be clear about that. Thanks.

Rick: Leo, I use bitch as in ‘life’s a bitch’, or ‘bitch slap’ but the combo of shes a bitch ‘ doesn’t work. and i think gay is the correct term used by gay and straight alike. i love how the Irish are ‘live and direct’, and i get called on that… all the time, and yes, we have no problem ffing and blinding, it’s part of the vernacular, but drogatory terms don’t work for me. and i have no problem with your use of the word gay. remember..i grew up watching gay byrne, our johnnycarson.. ‎’we the people’ is the preamble to the american constitution..often used for ‘john public’, or ‘the man on the clapham omnibus’…dunno what they use in Ireland anymore…

June: Leo – in this instance we could equate B***H to the N word!

Leo: No, June, in this instance you can equate bitch with the word nigger. I know what I meant and I really could give a flying fuck at a rolling donut what someone who doesn’t know me or even asks what I mean comes on to me with judgemental advice. I usually say to those people ‘go fuck yourself’, but since everybody on this thread seems to be so overly sensitive I wont’ say that to you.

Rick: Sorry Leo, your outta here. this is getting close to hate speech, making my stomach churn. I am all for plain speaking and not gilding the lily, but using terms that most reasonable folk and certainly my friends on here find disgusting does not work for me. i can’t control what you think or say, but I do have some control over what goes on my wall.

Leo: Well, before you turn me off, Rick, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass! What a bunch of condescending assholes you and some of your friends have turned out to be. Pity, because I was beginning to like you. Adios! And next time you jump to conclusions and make assumptions, I hope you don’t break a leg or hurt somebody’s ass! Hehehehe! *time* BTW: You still never answered me. Is that you being cowardly?

June: Leo – When one has to reduce to profanity to express themselves, it shows that their level of vocabulary is limited.

Leo: Wrong again, June. Christopher Hitchens, a man with arguably the best vocabulary in the world today (in English anyway) argues against what you said. If you’re open to being educated, you can find it on YouTube. The ignorant, oddly enough, are usually the ones who disdain education. Also, if you can read my writing and tell me I have a poor vocabulary, you must be an idiot!

June: Whatever……………….

Leo: Great comeback! June, you are a star. You’ve so wonderfully proven my point. I invited you to get better educated and the best you could come back with, like an ignoramus on the Springer show, was ‘whatever’!!! Thank you so much. 😉

Rick: June..de man brave..him doan know who him is messin ‘ wid…mount a posse and head over to Dublin, u can get plenty tar n’ feather there..lol.!

June: No need to head over, one phone call! lol

Conan: anyone who takes Bachmann seriously has a smaller IQ than their shoe size

Rick: conan..u backed off the shot…was sure u had something else in mind than IQ..Lol.!

Lisa: Gosh Rick… stay brave and true to yourself and never mind the thrash talkers♥

Rick: lisa..this guy was ‘easy’…but he was msg. me after i defriended him, real nasty..wonder why he gets so angry.? now if u were upset with me, ‘hol different ball o’ wax babe..

Lisa: You know Rick, we are always able to resolve our differences of opinion… as long as you agree with me ;p

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RK Can you believe that there is a protest in Ireland today where all women are asked not to go to mass to protest that there are no female priests! Dont think that will get much support…anyone under fifty generally does not go to mass anyway and anyone over fifty is completely against woman priests!!! Ahhh you gotta laugh at these feminists though…

RMcA They must have nothing better to do!

TtT they should stay at home cooking and cleaning if they have nothing better to do LMAO 😉

FH I say your wall under 50 and going to mass.i’ve lost faith in the Irish and world church.i’ve sold my stock in it and now all my stock is in islam.

OM Why would any woman in Ireland want to be a priest? I dont’ get it!

RK Exactly Rita! O, I do not know why any woman would want to be a priest, especially with the state of the church in Ireland. Every day there is some new scandal.

OM That’s what I mean! Why would anyone want to belong to such a sick, corrupt organisation? Why don’t these women get together and form their own religion – one where they leave the goddamn kids alone! 😉

JK I NEVER LOST MY FAITH. HAS I ALL WAY SAY NEVER LOOK ON ANY ONE UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO PICK THEM UP

OM I’m not sure what that means, John…?

JK MY FAITH IS IN GOD ONLY, IF PEOPLE HAVE NO FAITH THATS GOOD TO

OM Weird – my last comment seems to have disappeared for some reason.

John, I was just sayng that maybe you don’t know that your caps lock is on. I was asking if you think it’s a good thing for people to believe in things they do not have evidence for? Is that not a fair question for me to ask? If it offended you it wasn’t my intention. I apologise for being curious about and interested in your faith. I’ll just shutup then. Cheers!

JK dont worry take care all

FH In the muslim world their is no pedofiles Because they be stoned to deat if they did anything to a child.

OM Fionn – you’re a funny guy and are obviously joking! It is my understanding that the so-called Prophet Muhammed married a 6 yr old girl named Aisha and had sex with her when she was 9. My muslim friend told me yesterday that a muslim man can marry a girl of any age and can have sex with her when she reaches puberty – whatever age that may be. With that in mind, do you really think this is something you should be joking about? Just curious. But, go ahead, ignore me – most people who cannot argue their position usually do!! 😉

FH That’s in poor area’s of muslim’s country’s like in some parts of nigera and some place’s like that.

KG Feres Querine Intellituim – Faith seeking understanding . We are born with Faith ,its the seeking to understand . The existance of God is in our Children and Animals ,for they too have no voice but yet contain the mystery of Gods existance…. Many Theologians have stood before a pope and aurgued against the Hiearchy of one Branch of a Church . The Roman Catholic Church is there to show us what not to do . Leonardo Boff Theologian of Latin America wrote a 26 page Letter to the Vatican 2 Council of 1962 stating that a church must come from grass roots up and Not from the Sky Down . This is called Liberation Theology . would one attend a celebration of The Eurchurist if priest had family and was married ? Today marks the end of Patriarchal cycle and marks the beginning of The Matriarchal . For nutrance in order to find the understanding of your faith . Another question upon death do you want a priest to give you your last rites , to stand and hold ceremony to your passing in order to comfort your loved ones who mourn ? This is a tradition of Faith of which all celebrate the faith that dwells inside us ,no matter what domain it is . With the Ordiance of Nature as we are all part of and can not depart from only in death . Has this wonderous Majestic genius design planet no creator ? In the 15th Century Bible Mary Magdeline was removed by the Roman Catholic Church as Jesus partner . A Dei Verbertum letter does exsist stating the Church wanted to control women’s lives . The RC has died and a resurrection like Jesus death has come again proven of GOD’S exsistance . The following of women in to the Priesthood is the union of Mary and Jesus . Dan Brown may have written a book about it ,but he did read the Bible of 15th Century . This Morning I listened to the Gospel of which it is Jesus you recognise his true Servants of his word . And will close the door on those who do not serve him . I am a woman I am studying Theology ,I am a Catholic who attended Mass and celebrated the Holy Eurchrist with two Priest’s who followed their hearts and got married . They serve the word of God and from them I hear it . Now having said all this would you want to see me celebrate with you ?

Tim O’ Donoghue You say it all there K!! Very impressive argument!!

OM Hi K, just wondering about you saying we are born with faith. Do you mean every single person? I wasn’t. Nor many people I know. I didn’t have it then, don’t have it now. Since the Roman Catholic Church is there to show us what not to d…o, well, I guess you mean that literally -for example: we should not rape and torture people, especially children. I guess they’re showing us what not to do in this area quite a lot. Is Liberation Theology an oxymoron? How can you be free if you are a slave? Nutrance – what’s that? I will definitely not choose to have a priest or any so-called ‘holy’ person giving me anything when I die… so, where does that leave me? You ask if the world has a creator and still nobody yet has any proof either way – so, the most honest thing anyone can say is: I don’t know. I guess that’s where believing something without evidence comes in. To answer your last question – no, I wouldn’t care to see you or anyone celebrating whatever it is you’re talking about (you really lost me with what you said because it simply makes no sense in a grammatical way, and, unfortunately, that’s all we’ve got here in writing). What I’d like to know from someone who claims to know the mind of god (that supposedly god itself said we could not!) why it is that with everyone praying and prayer working sometimes, getting god to intervene on our behalf, he hasn’t yet decided to stop the priests (and other pedarests) from raping and torturing children? I wish someone would tell me a good reason. The well is full of pennies. I hope you can help – being a catholic studying theology and being friends with two men who follow a book that calls their nature an abomination and all. Sincerely, O 😉

KG I apologise as I too am on a journey of seeking to understand my Faith . If you and I traveled around the World . Each culture has a Book that has been handed down by the Past . Collective they talk about Faith . From Ancient Egypt right up to the present Humankind writes about how they start with ‘Reason ‘ logic explainations of what we see . Yet this yerning craving as you put it to see God ( to which in theology regarded as proof of your faith existance ,because you called God ,God and not by any other name ) your questioning is also showing the birth of your Theology ‘ talk of GOD’S word . So there is the presentation of your faith born inside you . You question god therefore you are seeking an understanding . Philosophy Reason came first followed by Theology . Both are attributes of Human making being a reality . Your reality is you and your essenance . Child Abuse is a crime againist God exsistance here on earth . The fact that the truth behind these crimes never went away . Means for me that the Wrath of God came from those who lied and covered up . The Roman Catholic Church do not represent the Holy Covenant . For the lies and deceit has shown us the Moral Evil , to which we have come to known . There is no fitting punishment on this Earth that will give us Justice . The Holy Covenant is not the wine and bread which we where led to believe . It is the people . The second Coming is not in what this Hiearchy have said . It is the people who have seen the true identities of Christ , buddha muhammad all the Prophets and Saints . I too have here expressed my deep anger towards this false Church . Because of 3 of my family Members where Raped in Letterfranc and Goldenbridge . Yvonne ,Billy and Vincent . Yvonne & Billy Committed Sucidie and my cousin Vincent faced the Moriarty Tribunal alone. My Family & I sat by his side as we looked on powerless and watch a 43 year old man in agony cry as a priest stood up pointed at him and yelled Liar . I stood up and shouted you are the liar of which you lied to God therefore he will shut his door on the imposter . O you are the living embodiment of God .I am we all are . Parents who have children sacrifice their lives by clothing educating loving their Children that is tradition of Faith . Our sOuls are with us noone can take it away . As a woman I want to be able to particpate in knowing that my reason has the accomplishments of my faith . O when I look around and see death ,pain decay violence I stop Campaign and pray for it to end . My prayers for the lies of the Church for me where answered . I am here , we are the Holy Covenant are here . I want peace . For the anger is killing me . I am considering the priesthood and Marrying have children . In honour of my dead relatives . Never put yourself down O by calling yourself an idiot . Just take your power back and spread Peace .xx Happiness is the key for me . I attended a funeral of which nothing was done or said not even a toast to my aunts memory . It was very depressing and extremely lonely . you have your freewill to do whatever you wish at your funeral.

OM Thanks for taking the time to write that. By this logic, am I to take it that when a friend of mine talks about his belief in aliens and I ask him about that, that is the presentation of my faith inside me? My faith in the existence of aliens? I’m confused. 😦

KG O there are Societies organisations that gather and talk about their faith of aliens existance . When you attended your friends gathering or his talk about it . Give respect But you have the right too in regards to discussing your faith . I too have met people of different faiths . But R status was about  women becoming priests and those who protest . Which is why we have Protestant faith to which they are christians who Protested agianist the ROMAN Cathoilc Church 15th Century on two things , viginity of Mary and why Women should join the Ministery of Faith.. I too have met people of different faiths . But R status was about women becoming priests and those who protest . Which is why we have Protestant faith to which they are christians who Protested agianist the ROMAN Cathoilc Church 15th Century on two things , viginity of Mary and why Women should join the Ministery of Faith.

O Marshal ‎$cientology, invented by an alchoholic drug-addicted science-fiction writer, talks about Xenu the Evil Emperor getting rid of his overpopulated planet by taking the people on planes to earth and dropping them into volcanoes where their spirits rose up out of their charred bodies and attached themselves in clusters to the human race and are as a result the source of all our problems and when we ‘clear’ ourselves of these thetans we’ll all be happy and living in peace together. Are you really saying I should ‘respect’ this ridonkulous idea? Do tell… 😉

K Golden Every one has free will to stay or leave . Makes a great episode for Star Trex ? God bless Gene Rodenberry . The main Thesis to R Status . Would the Church Support women priest . I am considering . Protesting by Boycotting has its advantages and disadvantage . Question remains would one attend Mass if the priesthood was of equal gender ? Question is directed at those who believe in the Christian faith . O please stick to Rosiemarie Status and not pass judgement on peoples faith .

K Golden I leave with a quote from a Man who proclaimed to be a Failed artist on canvas but has become art ,he was crucified as the first westerner ,a Drug Addict ,a Prostitute , A Dandy , Wittist author of ‘ Dandy in the Underworld ‘ a son ,a husband , a Lover a Gentleman . A loyal friend . ” I am a poet , I do not create poetry , God Creates I assemble” Sebastian Horsley . 1962 – 2010 RIP

OM I thought you said earlier something about respecting another’s religion/faith, which is why I asked the above question about Scientology. You have not answered. You now switch it to not judging people’s faith. Okay, I have the same question about that: are you saying that I shouldn’t judge the faith of Scientology based on the unproven and fantastical ideas they believe in? If I do not judge it, how can I decide whether I want to follow it or not? Do you see why I’m confused by your proclamation? If I don’t judge any faith, how do I choose which faith to have faith in? I would be grateful if you’d just answer this one question as you have not answered any of them so far, and without any answers I feel this is going around in shallow circles. Thanks for your patience.

KG you called it ridiculous that is not judging that is passing judgement in a prejudgement manner . To seek understanding a Faith . Start with ok I am born with Faith . Through Philosophy & Theology . Philo Sophia lover of Wisdom . I will read the Theo logius . Their logic perspective on their written word of God . Through that by using what I inherited at birth Faith in Seeking Understanding .. What has been written talked debated practised and finally believed in . In order to complete the circle of which you travel . ” I can never find the limits of my soul , no matter how many roads I took , so deep is its Mystery ” Heraculitus . Happy travelling . 

OM You say calling it ridiculous is not judging. Then go on to say that it is passing judgement in a prejudgement manner. Which, I think means, that you are making the judgement that I prejudged Scientology – judged them before I knew about them. I don’t know what may have given you that idea. I am a veritable expert on the cult of Scientology and there is nothing prejudiced in my comments. Yet again, K, meaning well as you do, you haven’t answered me in any understandable way. Maybe it’s just that I’m not used to reading lines of words with full-stops thrown in at random, and as a result, not one sentence making sense. So none of this was in vain, do you think you’d be so kind as to simply say yes or no to the following questions: Are you saying I should respect ALL religious beliefs – no matter what they are? Are you saying I should not judge ANY religious beliefs – no matter what they are? I’d be truly grateful if you could succinctly clear this up for me. Thanks. O

KG O read Gulliver’s Travels by Jonathan Swift . And yes are pre judging all of religion’s and their tradition’s . That is how you are confused . Go down to Middle Abbey Street and tell the Sciencetologist what you just said about them .Go… to Milstreet School of pHilosophy, Go to the proCatherdral Church and tell them to their face what you think of them . Go to Meath and tell the Budhist was you think of them . Go down to the South Cicular road and tell the Muslims what you think of them .Go to Rialto Canal and tell the Rabbi what you think of them . Go to Fairview and tell the Vicar what you think of them . Go to Parliment Street and tell the propietor of House of Astrology what you think of them . Go to Clonegal and tell Lady Olivia what you think of her in the Temple of Isis . Go to Lahinch and tell John Mac Carthy what you think of clare Evangleist Church . Go to where ever Doreen Marron is reading Tarot cards and tell her what you are thinking . And when you have finished travelling . Remember this you, have not left this Island and yet you have travelled through 2 milleniums of tradition’s of Faith . Have a cup of tea sit on a rock and realise Hey I am alive to do all that . All that I ask is that you do it with a happy heart and not an angry one .

OM Again, thank you for your words. And thank you for answering me. I’m not sure how we got to you judging that I have pre-judged all religions and even Tarot card readers and so on. Reading back over these writings I cannot find that anywhere. I did all my research about Scientology and gave my judgement on them. You have answered my question about religion, I think – and say that I should not prejudge them. Are you specifically saying that even after I’ve checked into and researched one of them I am still not allowed to judge them negatively?

KG no O you make your mind up if you like or dislike stay or walk away . I mentioned all those domian of Fatih Cause I walked that road . Have chosen Old 5th Century Catholism where Priest are allowed to marry . latin masses too . Atheism is a tradition of faith too . Lol forgot about that one .

OM Great. I’m so glad we sorted that out. You do think I am within my rights to judge. Whew! Now, sorry to have to say this, but Atheism is NOT a faith. If I do not believe in a supernatural god like you do, it does not require faith. If that …were the case, then my disbelief in leprechauns and unicorns would also be a faith – and as we both know, that would be ridiculous. In fact, it would mean that I had thousands upon thousands of faiths because there are so many things I don’t believe in. Since I am an Atheist I would kindly ask that you not spread the erroneous propaganda that Atheism is anything more than not believing is something unprovable. However, you are free – as you know – to do as you choose. I just don’t want you to look really silly if you say that around any thinking person. LOL! 😉

KG oh but it is once there are more than one and if you look thru history fairies leprechaun Ghosts gobblins where believed Vampires .there is no escape from passing from reason to faith . It is all down to communicating . How did that Theolo…gy of non existance of God come about . Through a writer who thought about God wrote about it in a very Theologian Mode of discourse .” I do not believe in the existance of God” yeah but you had thought about him in order to disowned and you with your basic human curiosity thought about it too . Faith Seeking Understanding . And I am not a fool nor afraid . That you and I are the source of inspiration to all of Talk on what is occupying Our time on earth . By the way I may say and have the right to say . Priest’s ordained in the Roman Catholic Church of which there is thousand’s doing great work and innocent . Only 80 have been named . The downfall is their cover up on these 80 criminals . O you have a good life and wish you all the best in the world . God bless

OM Thank you, K. And may the Lord of The Pixies sprinkle you with magic poof dust and bless you! Be well! 🙂